Showing posts with label ONET. Show all posts
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Wednesday, February 26, 2025

What's Wrong with SSR 24-3p?

 SSR 24-3p introduces a new interpretation of the stable administrative notice regulation, 20 CFR 404.1566(d). The Commissioner has long held as a matter of law to the proposition that when it comes to unskilled sedentary, light, and medium work, the Commissioner will take administrative notice of reliable governmental and other (private) published data for the requirements and numbers of jobs. SSR 00-4p responded to a growing number of cases -- and a split in the circuits -- that the ALJ must address conflicts between vocational testimony and the Dictionary of Occupational Titles (DOT). 20 CFR 404.1566(d)(1). The Commissioner conceded to the fact that the Selected Characteristics of Occupations (SCO) was part of the single data set. SSR 00-4p imposed on the ALJ the duty to investigate the existence of a conflict or apparent conflict and to resolve that conflict based on evidence. 

But the DOT and its dataset never stated job numbers, never. Job numbers are now and in 1978 stated in the Occupational Outlook Handbook (OOH) and County Business Patterns (CBP). 20 CFR 404.1566(d)(2), (5).Now, the Bureau of Labor Statistics publishes online the Employment Projections (EP) and the Occupational Employment and Wage Statistics (OEWS, formerly the OES). 

Labor abandoned the DOT and its data set never updating the DOT fourth edition, revised published in 1991 or the SCO published in 1993. Labor transferred responsibility of the Employment Training Administration from the DOT to the Occupational Information Network (ONET). Recognizing the problem that 10,000 of the 13,000 DOT codes had a date last updated of 1977, the Commissioner was forced to collaborate with Labor to develop a new data set -- the Occupational Requirements Survey (ORS). 

Private sources published data as well. United Stat Publishing published and publishes what is now known as the Occupational Employment Quarterly (OEQ) in various formats for national, state, and local data. That publication uses the equal distribution method of estimating job numbers -- each DOT code within a Standard Occupational Classification (SOC) represents the same number of jobs. The OEQ publishes the job numbers sorted by exertion/skill combinations. United Stat Publishing also publishes the Specific Occupational Employment - Unskilled Quarterly (SOEUQ). The SOEUQ estimates sedentary occupations by industry. The SOEUQ does not state its methodology. 

SkillTRAN publishes OccuBrowse, Job Browser Pro, and OASYS. The latter two estimate job numbers by DOT code. SkillTRAN uses a SOC/OEWS code intersection with selected industries (NAICS codes) and uses equal distribution to estimate the number of jobs per DOT code at those SOC-NAICS intersections. SkillTRAN uses a proprietary and unpublished methodology and does not use the data from the EP or OEWS that publish SOC-NAICS data. SkillTRAN uses the CBP to modify the data. The SkillTRAN SOC-NAICS data resembles but does not duplicate either the EP or OEWS SOC-NAICS data. 

That is the basic lay of the data. Job requirements are still found in the DOT and the Commissioner clings to that data set. Job requirements are found with current data in the ONET and the ORS. Job numbers are still found in the OOH and CBP -- they are up to date -- as well as the EP and OEWS. Three data sets for requirements and four data sets for job numbers. No one should use the OEQ for any purpose. JBP and OASYS continue to have utility for stating the SOC-NAICS intersection job numbers but does not parse that data based on occupational classifications nor erode for any impairment. JPB and OASYS are starting points. 

Here is the problem. The vocational witness claims to have considered the broad range of data along with their vast (local and anecdotal) experience to derive a job numbers based on no discernible methodology. Some will default to JBP/OASYS. That is at least a defensible starting point. Some will claim that the OEQ remains in the mix. That is bogus. 

And the ALJ corps blindly accepts testimony that is incoherent and meaningless. The witnesses are not consistent across time. They are not consistent with each other according to the cases. Because the claimants have privacy of their medical data, we never get to see the testimony that the witnesses give in different cases or to compare different witnesses in same and similar cases. The system lacks accountability and reliability. The system invoked by SSR 24-3p creates vocational witness lottery. That is not a system of administrative justice; it is legalized gambling with people's lives and the social safety net. 

But I never get passionate about these issues. 


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Suggested Citation:

Lawrence Rohlfing, What's Wrong with SSR 24-3p?, California Social Security Attorney (February 26, 2025)  https://californiasocialsecurityattorney.blogspot.com


The author has been AV-rated since 2000 and listed in Super Lawyers since 2008.




Monday, August 28, 2023

Vocational Expert Handbook Video Presentation -- Light Work ID'd -- OMG, Are You Kidding Me?

The March 2023 version of the Social Security Vocational Expert Handbook is out. Vocational Expert Handbook (SSA Mar. 2023). A video, not found on the SSA channel on YouTube.com, explains the Handbook. The mock hearing in the middle of it all provides an example of good testimony that shocks the conscience.  

ALJ: Assume a hypothetical individual with the claimant's age, education, and past work experience is able to perform light work as defined in the regulations, except they can occasionally climb ramps and stairs, balance, stoop, kneel, crouch, and crawl; and can never climb ladders, ropes, or scaffolds; must avoid unprotected heights, moving mechanical parts, and operating a motor vehicle; can perform simple routine tasks; can make simple work-related decisions; and can occasionally interact with supervisors and coworkers, and never interact with the public. Could the hypothetical individual perform any work, and, if so, could you provide me with a few examples?

VE: Yes, jobs such as cleaner, housekeeping (DOT code 323.687-014). That is light, SVP 2, with 200,000 jobs nationally. Routing clerk (DOT code 222.687-022). That is light, SVP 2, with 40,000 jobs nationally. And marker (DOT code 209.587-034). That is light, SVP 2, with 200,000 jobs nationally.

Under SSR 83-10, the agency and the vocational experts are directed to assume that a limitation to light work includes a limitation to standing/walking six hours in an eight-hour workday. The vocational witness has stated that a housekeeping cleaner has a maximum stand/walk requirement of six hours. That is palpably false based on the DOT narrative, O*NET OnLine, and Occupational Requirements Survey. The vocational witness has claimed that the inherently clerical functions of a routing clerk have occasional or less contact with others. The witness lays claim that warehouse work has occasional or less contact with others, 

Housekeeping cleaner has the Lead Statement (after the number, title, industry, and alternate titles): "Cleans rooms and halls in commercial establishments, such as hotels, restaurants, clubs, beauty parlors, and dormitories" The Task Element Statements (how the Lead Statement gets accomplished) states: "Sorts, counts, folds, marks, or carries linens. Makes beds. Replenishes supplies, such as drinking glasses and writing supplies. Checks wraps and renders personal assistance to patrons. Moves furniture, hangs drapes, and rolls carpets. Performs other duties as described under CLEANER (any industry) I Master Title." Find two hours of sitting in the expected or essential work duties, every day without fail. 

The O*NET describes housekeeping cleaner under the broad heading of maids and housekeeping cleaners as having occasional or no contact with others in 18% of jobs. Maids have no important contact with the public is 8% of jobs. Maids do not work with a group or team as at least a fairly important job function in 4% of jobs. Maids never sit in 72% of jobs, less than half the time in 25% of jobs, and about half the time in 3% of jobs. 

The ORS describes maids as interacting with the general public in 76.3% of jobs. Maids require basic people skills in 97.1% of jobs. Maids stand (including walk) 87.5% of the day at the 10th percentile, 95% of the day at the 25% percentile, and 100% of the day at the median, 75th, and 90th percentiles. Maids engage in light exertion in 69.3% of jobs. 

 Routing clerk has the Lead Statement "Sorts bundles, boxes, or lots of articles for delivery." The Task Element Statements states: "Reads delivery or route numbers marked on articles or delivery slips, or determines locations of addresses indicated on delivery slips, using charts. Places or stacks articles in bins designated according to route, driver, or type. ay be designated according to workstation as Conveyor Belt Package Sorter (retail trade)." Sounds an awful lot like mail clerk, an R3 occupation. The DOT classifies routing clerk as R2. Routing clerk does have significant data functions of comparing: judging the readily observable functional, structural, or compositional characteristics (whether similar to or divergent from obvious standards) of data, people, or things.

The O*NET describes routing clerk under the broad heading of shipping, receiving, and inventory clerk as having occasional or no contact with others in 0% of jobs. Shipping clerks have no important contact with the public is 4% of jobs. Shipping clerks do not work with a group or team as at least a fairly important job function in 1% of jobs. 

The ORS describes Shipping clerks as interacting with the general public in 63.6% of jobs. Shipping clerks require basic people skills in 69.2% of jobs and more than basic people skills in 30.8% of jobs. Shipping clerks stand (including walk) 25% of the day at the 10th percentile, 50% of the day at the 25% percentile, 80% of the day at the median, 95% of the day at the 75th percentile, and 100% of the day at the 90th percentiles. Shipping clerks engage in light exertion in 21.5% of jobs and unskilled work in 46.3% of jobs. 

Marker has the Lead Statement "Marks and attaches price tickets to articles of merchandise to record price and identifying information." The Task Element Statements states: "Marks selling price by hand on boxes containing merchandise, or on price tickets. Ties, glues, sews, or staples price ticket to each article. Presses lever or plunger of mechanism that pins, pastes, ties, or staples ticket to article. ay record number and types of articles marked and pack them in boxes." The DOT classifies marker as R2. Marker does have significant data functions of copying: Transcribing, entering, or posting data.

The O*NET describes markers under the broad heading of stockers and order fillers as having occasional or no contact with others in 4% of jobs. Stockers have no important contact with the public is 6% of jobs. Stockers do not work with a group or team as at least a fairly important job function in 4% of jobs. 

The ORS describes stockers as interacting with the public in 73.6% of jobs. Stockers require basic people skills in 95% of jobs and more than basic people skills in 5% of jobs. Stocker stand (including walk) 80% of the day at the 10th percentile, 90% of the day at the 25% percentile, 95% of the day at the median, and 100% of the day at the 75th and 90th percentiles. Stockers lift up to 25 pounds at the 10th percentile, 50 pounds at the 25th percentile and median, 60 pounds at hte 75th percentile, and 75 pounds at the 90th percentile. 

The witness goes on to describe the 30 years' experience, but no experience related to these three occupations. The sample of cross-examination does not ask about other sources of job information or where the vocational witness obtained the idea that these occupations do not require prolonged standing/walking, interaction with the public, or more than occasional interaction with others. 

The agency needs to stop giving examples to strive to become that are facially unsupported. The fact that many vocational experts would give this kind of testimony does not make it reliable. It makes it ubiquitously wrong. 

Talk me off the cliff.  

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Suggested Citation:

Lawrence Rohlfing, Vocational Expert Handbook Video Presentation -- Light Work ID'd -- OMG, Are You Kidding Me?, California Social Security Attorney (August 28, 2023) https://californiasocialsecurityattorney.blogspot.com

The author has been AV-rated since 2000 and listed in Super Lawyers since 2008.





Friday, June 15, 2018

Part-Time Work May Qualify as SGA -- Top 53 Occupations that Need Inquiry

The incidence of full-time work is an important consideration in the ability to perform substantial gainful activity at step five of the sequential evaluation process.  We operate under the agency policy that a claimant must have the ability to perform sustained work activity on a full-time or equivalent schedule in order to have the capacity to engage in substantial gainful activity.

That observation does not mean that part-time work does not count.  If a claimant has a residual functional capacity for full-time work and part-time work meets that assessment and provides an income that meets the threshold of substantial gainful activity, then that occupation counts in the march to significant numbers of jobs.

An example illustrates the point.  Vocational experts identify cashiers with regularity.  The occupation typically provides less than a full-time schedule.  Cashiers have a median wage of $10.11 per hour.  A full-time schedule of 173 hours per month would exceed the substantial gainful activity floor.  The current substantial gainful activity floor rests at more than $1,180 per month.  To exceed $1,180 per month, the median cashier must work in excess of 116.72 hours per month on average over the course of a year.  That equates to 27.15 hours per week.  Without data, it is irresponsible to assume that part-time cashiers will earn more than $14,160 per year.  Consider the following 53 occupations that have full-time work in 25% or less of the jobs as they exist in national economy based on incumbent (workers) surveys:

DOT                   Name                                                                SOC          % Full-Time
371.567-010
GUARD, SCHOOL-CROSSING (government services)
33-9091.00
0
372.667-022
FLAGGER (construction)
33-9091.00
0
311.477-014
COUNTER ATTENDANT, LUNCHROOM OR COFFEE SHOP (hotel & restaurant)
35-3022.00
4
319.474-010
FOUNTAIN SERVER (hotel & restaurant)
35-3022.00
4
153.367-010
CLOCKER (amusement/recreation)
27-2023.00
8
299.647-010
IMPERSONATOR, CHARACTER (any industry)
41-9012.00
8
318.687-018
SILVER WRAPPER (hotel & restaurant)
35-9021.00
8
349.665-010
SCOREBOARD OPERATOR (amusement/recreation)
27-2023.00
8
159.647-010
AMUSEMENT PARK ENTERTAINER (amusement/recreation)
27-2011.00
9
159.647-014
EXTRA (amusement/recreation)
27-2011.00
9
159.647-022
SHOW GIRL (amusement/recreation)
27-2011.00
9
344.667-010
TICKET TAKER (amusement/recreation)
39-3031.00
9
344.677-010
PRESS-BOX CUSTODIAN (amusement/recreation)
39-3031.00
9
344.677-014
USHER (amusement/recreation)
39-3031.00
9
349.673-010
DRIVE-IN THEATER ATTENDANT (amusement/recreation)
39-3031.00
9
349.677-018
CHILDREN'S ATTENDANT (amusement/recreation)
39-3031.00
9
961.667-014
STAND-IN (motion picture)
27-2011.00
9
211.462-010
CASHIER II (clerical)
41-2011.00
11
211.462-038
TOLL COLLECTOR (government services)
41-2011.00
11
211.467-018
PARIMUTUEL-TICKET CASHIER (amusement/recreation)
41-2011.00
11
211.467-022
PARIMUTUEL-TICKET SELLER (amusement/recreation)
41-2011.00
11
211.467-026
SHEET WRITER (amusement/recreation)
41-2011.00
11
211.467-030
TICKET SELLER (clerical)
41-2011.00
11
312.477-010
BAR ATTENDANT (hotel & restaurant)
35-3011.00
11
312.677-010
TAPROOM ATTENDANT (amusement/recreation)
35-3011.00
11
311.472-010
FAST-FOODS WORKER (hotel & restaurant)
35-3021.00
12
249.687-014
PAGE (library)
43-4121.00
14
311.677-010
CAFETERIA ATTENDANT (hotel & restaurant)
35-9011.00
14
311.674-014
RAW SHELLFISH PREPARER (hotel & restaurant)
35-2021.00
18
316.684-014
DELI CUTTER-SLICER (retail trade)
35-2021.00
18
976.385-010
MICROFILM PROCESSOR (business services)
51-9151.00
21
976.685-014
DEVELOPER, AUTOMATIC (photofinishing)
51-9151.00
21
976.685-022
MOUNTER, AUTOMATIC (photofinishing)
51-9151.00
21
976.685-038
PHOTOGRAPHIC PROCESSOR, SEMICONDUCTOR WAFERS (electronic component)
51-9151.00
21
230.647-010
SINGING MESSENGER (business services)
27-2042.01
22
302.685-010
LAUNDRY WORKER, DOMESTIC (domestic services)
37-2012.00
22
302.687-010
IRONER (domestic services)
37-2012.00
22
323.687-014
CLEANER, HOUSEKEEPING (any industry)
37-2012.00
22
350.677-014
PASSENGER ATTENDANT (water transportation)
53-6061.00
23
352.577-010
BUS ATTENDANT (motor transportation)
53-6061.00
23
910.677-010
PASSENGER SERVICE REPRESENTATIVE II (railroad transport)
53-6061.00
23
292.687-010
COIN-MACHINE COLLECTOR (business services)
53-3031.00
24
195.367-030
RECREATION AIDE (social services)
39-3091.00
25
340.477-010
RACKER (amusement/recreation)
39-3091.00
25
342.357-010
WEIGHT GUESSER (amusement/recreation)
39-3091.00
25
342.657-010
BARKER (amusement/recreation)
39-3091.00
25
342.667-014
ATTENDANT, ARCADE (amusement/recreation)
39-3091.00
25
342.677-010
RIDE ATTENDANT (amusement/recreation)
39-3091.00
25
343.467-014
FLOOR ATTENDANT (amusement/recreation)
39-3091.00
25
343.577-010
CARDROOM ATTENDANT II (amusement/recreation)
39-3091.00
25
352.677-018
WAITER/WAITRESS, CLUB (hotel & restaurant)
35-3031.00
25
372.667-026
FLAGGER (amusement/recreation)
39-3091.00
25
375.587-010
PARKING ENFORCEMENT OFFICER (government services)
33-3041.00
25



We can check this data on OccuCollect on the work context report, cognitive and mental, under the heading of structural job requirements.  The O*NET OnLine provides the same information in the detail or summary reports for work context, minimum value 0, and show all.  Here is that part of the report for cashiers from OccuCollect:

Structural Job Characteristics
%
Response
Duration of Typical Work Week — Number of hours typically worked in one week.
1
More than 40 hours
19
40 hours
80
Less than 40 hours